atcomsystems.ca/forum Forums General General Telephone & Systems Information Amphenol connectors not welcome anymore?

Hal, I agree. I, too, love IT guys. They make possible the purchase of goods and services that I could only have dreamed about.

It's not just us it guys. I've seen plenty of electricians do stupid/dodgy installations.

8p8c connectors and rack mount systems make installs quicker and easier when the system is being installed a rack.
It's not that much harder when frames are used either (no reason you can't use 25 pair, though I think using cat 5 looks neater)

I admit that my remarks about IT guys was ill-stated. I should have also recognized our good friends in the electrical industry, with an honorable mention to plumbers, carpenters, and masons.

Let us not also forget that great unwashed majority, the Screw-It-Yourself crowd.

Let's keep it on topic, it's not let's bash everyone day.

Sorry Bill, sometimes we need to vent.

I just got back from a newly-renovated home office with a beautiful tile floor at ground level. The owner wants to know why the electrician can't get his Panasonic 2-line phone to work. Upon investigation, I found a yellow/blue (single-pair) cross-connection wire running across the floor, buried in the grout, connecting the source of the dial tone and the intended phone location.

Any suggestions on what I should have said or done? Anyone?

The only way to save your dignity would be to walk away.

If you told the customer that the wire is insufficient and not installed properly you risk:

A) Getting into a pissing match with sparkie (after all he does have a license you know) and you don't know what you are talking about.

B) Having the customer tell you that you are only saying that because you didn't install it and sparkie was cheaper.

C) Having the customer accuse you of trying to make extra money by saying the wire has to be replaced.

D) And (drum roll) the customers IT guy said it should work fine.

-Hal

One more time, this thread has been hijacked enough, keep it on topic.

This thread was started by Dave because of a comment I made in another thread. We were discussing a new phone system that will primarily be used as a digital system, though it is technically a hybrid.

The system in question comes in 4x8 increments. The CO Lines pin-out two per 8C port on the KSU, and are wired: CO1 = Pins 1,2, and CO2 = Pins 4-5.

Station Ports 1-4 are on 4C ports, with each digital extension using the center pins. To make things even more interesting, digital station ports 5-8 also use pings 2-3 on the 4C port, but pins 1&4 have an analog extension on them.

While I really like the new system, the wiring is rather odd to me. Since this is a primarily a digital system, we'll use it to replace an exiting key system, where the customer does not want a VoIP solution.

Tommy mentioned rack mounting of the equipment. This is something that we sometimes do, depending on the environment. But, with the way this particular system wires out, you still need to run everything to a patch panel first in order to be able to make connections properly.

This system is not the first to come up with screwy connectors. I just do not understand why an amphenol solution would not be a better fit for this type of system. No one (in this thread) was ever advocating using amphenol connectors for data.

I understand the frustration. The ESI, with the exception of the legacy IP and the new 900 all have Amphenol connectors for CO and station connections. We did X-Blue for about 30 seconds as I was not a fan of how that was to be wired. Don't get me wrong, the X-Blue actually works, but I am so concerned about how the connections are made that we only installed about 10 and then quit.

If it was a matter of bandwidth or cross noise induction, I would see the point of getting away from the Amphenol connector. However, in most cases, that's not an issue.

Rcaman

Most of us know what Amphenols were designed for. 1a2, Comkey, old Comdial ect.. When the 25 pr. for each phone went away, it seems like they designed systems to use all the left over amphenols to just bring out the feeds from the KSU, when 4 pr. took over.

I still have a Amphenol crimp tool and a bag of M/F kit of parts that hasn't been touched for years and I don't miss it! It always sucked pulling 25 pr. and sitting for hours putting the ends on.

Hal,.. Period?