atcomsystems.ca/forum Forums Wiring - Telecom Carriers - Trunks & Services Security, Alarms and Paging Need help with RJ31X parts sourcing

Same here...if I am on the job when the alarm guy is there, I will run the wire and connect the RJ31X. At least they won't use 22 gauge stranded wire

Don't know if they are still available, but, there used to be a T-adapter that had an RJ-31X and an RJ-11 side-by-side, and of course the male plug. They used to be used for "series dialers". Your installer could terminate the line on a jack, plug in the adapter, plug in the alarm and a line cord to the phone system.

I wouldn't want MY alarm connected that wy, though....

I have a couple of the T-adapters just like you describe Tommy and it would work but it's a fragile setup and I did not want to even attempt it.

Hal, after working with a national retailer for the past ten years and their national alarm provider of choice, I'm still looking for a national alarm company worth their salt...no offence intended to the many independant alarm companies and providers. You would not believe the messes I have to contend with and help correct. And this company refuses to use anything but a national alarm company anymore...grrr...

Since the nat alarm company don't want to install the RJ31X jacks I think I'll offer them this solution.

I remember being at one new location on a vendor meet. The LEC was there, the alarm company was there and the phone/data installers were there. It was funny to watch them standing in a circle pointing to the next person. And no one corrected the problem. I got my tools and did it myself and they all left.

I'm going to have this jack labeled in detail and the only way anyone can mess it up is if they can't read...

Here's a story...got it about a month ago...a large national LEC installed POTS service for me, 3 lines in hunt, 1 stand alone line. The lines were crossed, etc...and it took about four reports to get it corrected. I told the last LEC tech working on it that I was former LEC and what in the world was the problem...I was going to call the PUC on the next problem. He told me that one of their techs just retired after 30 years service and about two months before he retired, they found out he was color blind...they found a section of a 600 pair cable splice that was incorrect and figured out this fellow worked on that section. They were very unhappy cause they had to dig up the splice, open the case and repair again.

A color blind LEC tech w/30 years service...I might still have a chance...

:-D

Since the nat alarm company don't want to install the RJ31X jacks I think I'll offer them this solution.

I still don't get it. They won't install it, you are the telecom guy, why don't YOU install it? That's what I do...

-Hal

DT98, am I correct in figuring out that you only go out of the office when no one else can fix the problem. And you are trying to make the RJ31X installation 'stupid proof'? Guaranteed, you will not succeed. If the installer needs that much help, he'll break the assembly getting it mounted! John C. (Not Garand)

With LIGNTNINGHORSE there is absolutly nothing that can be made" sailor proof, kid proof, or stupid proof".

Even though we are getting a bit off topic I must inject a little tidbit of information into the mix here.
From first hand experience after working with a guy that was " color blind", Many people that are classified as being "Color blind" are fully capable of not only recognizing the different colors that most of us see, they see the same colors that we do most of the time. Apparently, this guy could see the same colors as most people with the exception red and brown. The way he described it to me was that he knew what brown was to him and most people, but red was also brown to him.

But he could recognize the difference well enough to pass a color test.

Phone Line IN [6p4c]
Phone Line OUT [rj31x]
ALARM System [8p8c]

1) Mark everything with a fat RED permanent marker.
2) Mount all three individual surface boxes to one small piece of plywood/backboard and wire them correctly.
3) Include "rj31x-for-dummies" instructions
4) Mail to install site

Phone Line IN [6p4c]
Phone Line OUT [6p4c]
ALARM System [rj31x]

Why would you do it your way?

-Hal

Hal has a very valid point! Wired correctly, the line 'comes back' from the ancillary device, (An alarm in this case?) on pins 4 and 8. A 6P4C won't pick pick up the line! Using a 8P8C plug will TOTALLY confuse the installer, even if he does wire into the jack correctly. (And that's doubtful,at best!) And mark the jacks 'dial tone from telco' and 'dial tone to phone system' on the appropriate jacks. Remember, you are TRYING to make this 'stupid proof'. And good luck on that goal! John C.