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...which proves absolutely nothing. Whatever existing noise there is on the other line may not have anything to do with the inside wiring. Just because the owner/boss said it was OK or the way he wanted it, does NOT make it right.

Freaking out?... THAT is a sign of a GH (GreenHorn)
Someone tell me this is just a joke! :confused:

Read and understand the NEC:

• 800.133 (A)Seperation from Other Cables.
• 800.24 Mechanical Execution of Work.

Using an existing cable to support another cable is not allowed!

Possibly also 110.3, 110.12, 110.13 too. And possibly my favorite one: 800.25.

Depending on jurisdiction, you may be considered an electrical contractor with various licensing requirements. You may have broken the law, even if it was done 100% correctly (according to code).

You almost certainly are responsible financially for anything that goes wrong (probably unlikely that anything will in this case that would result in a lawsuit, but not impossible; let's say you drilled through a power cable and burnt down the building - you would likely be responsible, which is why professionals doing this have insurance).

It's things like licensing, insurance, tools, and proper training that add cost to the rates of people doing this professionally - and increase their rates above those of someone who lacks a license, insurance, tools, and proper training. Personally, I'd want someone with all those things before I'd let them work on my most expensive possession (my house).

Jeesh fellas, its obvious this guy or kid is new to all this and is here for some help and guidance. Most of us have probably forgotten more than he knows, so what??? Instead of going down the slippery slope where this is heading why not try to help him learn how to do things correctly without putting him down??? Michael, if someone who does this kind of work for a living is offering you some advice, then how about just taking it for what its worth and not trying to argue about it? There's a lot of knowledge and experience here for you to take advantage of.

As I said: read and understand the NEC.

What I didn't mention was that the NEC CODE is the minimum standard requirement for electrical installation.

The concern I had was not that he did a favor for a relative for low cost - I think that was good, he probably learned some stuff, and his next job will be better. I'm not proud of anything I did at the start of my career, but I did learn from it, as I'm sure if he is willing to take criticism.

My concern was stating that he basically did the same job as a professional would have done, which is not true. If he did a "good enough" job, I'd probably agree (for a job like he described, sure - it's not that big of a deal; if he wired a high-rise that way, I'd have concerns).

I've always thought that it's okay to have ego or to lack full competence in a job, but it's not okay to have both. Until you do everything perfect, it's probably best to be willing to learn (I'd encourage him to post pictures of the job later if possible, prefacing it with "I'm sure I could do better next time - I'm looking for advice, not just people telling me it's wrong").

There is a thread just for that: Constructive Criticism

See? That's just how great you are!

I was only kidding when I said I couldn't handle criticism. I am so grateful for any help you guys can give me. My next job will be to run ethernet cable under my dad's house. He needed a network jack for his direct tv box; not a phone jack. Any pointers on wiring the cable? What the deal is: he had a network cable running into his computer room from when he was doing internet from a high powered wifi unit off of a mountain https://www.commspeed.net/). Now he is using dsl and so is going to use the commspeed cable to run an extension under his house to the wall his direct tv is up against. What I am afraid of is that the people who ran the commspeed cable didn't use any standard (T-568A/B) but istead just wired it without crossing any cables. What that will result in is that the side they wired is does not have crossed wires while my side will have crossed wires because the jack looks like this: https://www.mavromatic.com/2005/06/...d-phone-jack-using-a-single-cat5e-cable/
How should I punch the lines down if this is the case?

THanks for teaching me exactly WHY I shouldn't tie phone cable to other cables.

re-terminate the cable to whichever scheme you are using (a or b )