ok i tried the safe mode suggestion. no go! The thing is I can telnet using tcp/ip and get in that way. Of course I don't know if it's possible to re-initilize through telnet or a serial connection. I can ping the address but still can't get in. I've even tried several different browsers and I just can't seem to access this darn callpilot. I have worked on a few in the past and never had this situation. anything else to try?? Thanks guys