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What gets me is that towns/cities allow service providers to invoke hardships/exceptions/exemptions when rolling out new services.

How about taking an "all or nothing" approach?

If a provider wants to offer services, they must make them available to every single address...no exceptions or excuses allowed.

Paul, out of curiosity, what would you consider "servicing the building correctly"? I'm not patronizing you, I'm genuinely curious. What that rep described to you is pretty typical of a Comcast install. The techs are forbidden from "fishing" wires through walls or ceilings with the exception of a straight through hole. An aerial drop to the nearest corner of the building would also be pretty typical. In my experience, if you want conduit- buried or otherwise, wires hidden in walls, ceilings, and chaseways, or anything beyond the scope of a basic "Get it in and get it working" install, then it falls on the property owner or their "guy" to do that work.

I think we can all agree that many cable tv "techs" have less than stellar installs. There's no excuse for doing hack work, but..... these techs also have strict rules set by corporate for what the can and cannot do. I'm sure some of it is liability concerns, some is time and money concerns, and some is just corporate nonsense. Whatever the reason, that's what the techs have to work by. I'm not necessarily defending them, but I've dealt with enough around here to understand why they do what they do. Lord knows I've cleaned up more than a few "installs". One that sticks out was the woman who owned a Frank Lloyd Wright house. The house is all brick, built on a slab, no attic and no basement. The tech's solution? Run the wires across the roof, drop them over the side next to the windows and drill a hole in the window frame to poke the wire into the room. I got called when she was getting a new roof installed and the company told her the rat's nest had to go. I opened up the soffits under the roof overhangs and ran all the wires up there and around to the garage where I installed the distribution amp. Only 2 places you could see the wires when I was finished. I had to go around a chimney with a wire so I used white coax and white clips then anchored it right over a mortar joint. Another spot was a shorter window that didn't get close enough to the eaves so that one you could see a couple feet coming down from the soffit to the window. She said she was ok with it so that's what we went with.

I guess my point is, they're only going to go so far, the rest is, unfortunately, up to the property owner.

That being said.. If you ever wanted a hand doing a nice job getting a cable through the building to someplace where you want the handoff, I'm only 45 minutes away. You've done a lot for me, helping you out is the least I could do.

900/50

I'm jealous

By servicing the building correctly, I mean that the utility utilize the existing entrance facility and not create a new one just to save the utility a few dollars.

Old pictures of the building show that the utilities used to be above ground. At some point (late 1940s/early 1950s) everything went down into conduits. If New England Telephone wanted to bring service into the building from the back, it would have done it at that point...or even earlier.

Ma Bell trenched the property line between the Church and the neighboring house, ran 25 pair direct burial to the house & 50 pair direct burial to the Church and straight into the phone closet.

I am a bit late to the conversation, but have you looked at getting multiple dsl circuits installed and a summing router?

Cost-wise, multiple DSL feeds would exceed comparable FiOS service. If a summing router is another name for bonded DSL service, Verizon doesn't offer it.

Is my memory of the property correct in that, in order to trench conduit to the church, you would have to cross asphalt at some point? I can't remember if there was an open path to the property line anywhere.

I think he said once theres like 100 ft of parking lot at the shortest point.

You could get ethernet over copper/shdsl.

Cost like $200/mo for 20/20 with a service level agreement and you can put a t1 on it if they use that for voice.

Once the backhoe pulled the cable up, the path was discovered. The cable goes underneath the sidewalk, along the property line, hooks to the right and enters the building to the side of the walkway. The old fire pull box uses the same entry point as does a ground wire.

Any T1 service is well outside our range. Average Sunday attendance is 25-30...mostly elderly.