atcomsystems.ca/forum Forums Wiring - Telecom Carriers - Trunks & Services Cabling Telephones Systems Wiring Need some ideas on this soon.

Ummmm, no I don't think so. Maybe a line between those who know VoIP is here to stay, and those who hope it will go away?

OK, here we go again. I wasn't looking to start a fight. This is hinging upon ridiculous.

The decision has been made between my company, the architect and the customer. We will finish running the CAT6 cable, terminate it on 630B4 wall phone jacks at the station ends and on 110 blocks at the head end. For the dozen outdoor phones, we'll do the same, with the exception of weatherproof enclosures for the single line telephone sets.

Placing a patch panel, a patch cord, another patch panel, various transitions over to the BET just makes no sense whatsoever. Who in their right mind would intentionally add five more potential points for failure in a new installation? I'm almost ashamed at some of the replies that I've seen here. I think that I've learned a lesson.

There is just a HUGE technological generation gap!

Opinions are like bung-holes!

No, we have the ability and experience to provide the right technology for the application, not make the customer pay for something they will never need and actually will cost them in the future to maintain.



I think you are a bit confused. Copper today is being abandoned all over for fiber so why would a TELCO install new copper?


Really, and from guys who should know better too. If some of you worked for me and came up with a solution that cost twice as much as necessary for no justifiable reason you would be looking for another job. We design for the application at hand, not for some eventuality that may never come to light.

-Hal

Technology evolves. I also install everything to patch panel/panels. I have been installing since 1976 so yes I am well aware of the 66 and 110 block terminations. Also remember the legacy installers complaining when station cabling went from 25 pair to 3 or 4 pair.

Adapt and move on or be run over.

I never said I'd recommend using patch panels, but I'm not adverse to doing so if the customer is paying the bill. You just adopt the "yes boss" attitude and do what you're told, smiling as you collect the extra cash. Also, if you're handed the job with structured cabling, you don't get a choice.

I think I've been ordered to do so in about 4 instances. The customers want that flexibility to do something down the road. In one case, it was because in the future they did go VoIP with 4 sites, the VoIP being used for transport of tie lines. I've also done Partner installs on patch panels, just because. When they move personnel, they don't have to have the "phone guy" do the moves.

Carl

Well, just as a note these are available:

Cat 6 110 blocks.

Interesting study in cross-generational prejudices.

This, to me, is a no brainer. The initial question stated the obvious: Cat 0 (more likely Cat 3) feeder cable into a BET. Cat 6 cables from station locations to be cross-connected to BET. What to use to cross-connect?

This has nothing to do with VoIP now or in the future. It is all about keeping some form of standard among all the campus BETs. Since your standard for all the other BETs is 66 blocks, then why complicate this new location with 110? If you think the 110 solution would provide for a neater, less trouble prone installation, then, by all means, use 110.

Back in prehistoric times, Bell Telephone had a simple, unwritten rule, Keep it as simple as possible, but make it as reliable as needed.

Rcaman

Well, here is the solution we ended up coming up with. Keep in mind that almost all of the station sets are standard 2554's, with many in outdoor enclosures, so I'm still not in agreement with their architect regarding the requirement for CAT6 plenum cable in a non-plenum environment, but that's another subject.

We ended up putting a 100 pair BET with a stubbed input and 110 output and terminated all of the CAT6 cables (and CAT3 tie cables) on 110 blocks as well. I think that this was the best way to address the impasse, especially when dealing with the limited amount of space we had to work with. Thank goodness for the 25 foot stub on the BET because there was surely no room for a splice closure in this "tel/data" closet that we were given. That splice will occur on the other side of the wall in a utility room.

The rogue IW coming in from the right is just a temporary feed for the elevator phone so that they could pass inspection. We have not been able to do the splice in the pedestal outside to get this terminal placed into service yet.

Comcast came in and wrecked the CATV part of the installation, but I'm not surprised. At least they left our cable bundles somewhat intact.

Looks great, Ed!