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Has anyone connected a Panasonic system to a Nortel MICS via PRI/T1? If so, do you have any tips/tricks/hints?

The main objective is to feed the Telco PRI into the TDE200, then connect an existing MICS to a 2nd PRI card to allow extension dialing and outside calling from both systems. I was thinking this would be simple but now I'm second guessing just how easy this will be. Hopefully the Panasonic will allow outside line '9' dialing from the Nortel PRI to the Telco PRI :rolleyes:

do you have the ability to test the tde and the mics
on the bench before you rip into this ?Has this application been sold already or is this in the planing stage?

No bench time, testing will be done after hours before we cutover. Equipment is already hung on the wall...

We have the option card to allow DISA on the TDE.

Now that I'm thinking about it I'm wondering if I might have to use some analog trunk/station ports to link the two systems.

You don't need that option card for disa the tde has built in disa via esvm in it !I dont see a big deal pri to pri as long as you don't have duplicate station numbers you may need enhanced software on the TDE though I assume you know the MICS well enough too build ars on it and it supports qsig and has good ars or lcr ....
What would be nice is get an extra pri card For the MICS fire up the tde connect it to the mics befor pulling the PRI off the MICS and battle test the mics with a couple of test trunks on TDE and have ars or LCR dialing plan I.E seamless dialing out and tde to mics ,mics to tde calling all battle tested and worked out beforehand you commit to a cut If you look back in history on this site it took a whole week to work out the bugs on a site that had 3 tde's on one PRI linked together on fiber to each building can not imagine just walking in after hours with out panasonics possilble support and out the the kinks after the cut on the fly unless you have saints for clients!! Want fly me up there to help :idea: ?? ??

Geez, that sounds like the type of stuff I would toy around on weekends just out of curiousity... before I had kids, of course...

Well, keep us up to date, I'd like to hear how that went.

Hmm, I'll think about the offer KXTVET! I agree, I'd love to have and extra PRI card for the MICS - I could do all this while in production. We have a Toshiba PRI card on the shelf, but not a Nortel one

Interesting that this is coming up at the same time there's a QSIG discussion going on in the Nortel forum! I'm not sure whether or not QSIG is included by default when you install a MICS PRI keycode, hopefully it is.

The routing from the MICS perspective is a no brainer and I assume I'll use a combination of "Quck Dial" and "Other PBX Extension" from the Panasonic perspective.

Hmm, look like no go on the Nortel Q-sig.

BTW, we do have the enhanced software on the TDE.

Not to be overly verbose, but it looks like I could set the TDE PRI card to "extension" mode which would serve the MICS in CO mode. Not too sure if I'd still have to ability to send DID's to the MICS...

T isn't nice to bounce ideas off other engineers
!!A spare pri card in the MICS would be nice no suprises that way or having a t berd connected to the 0290 on the tde would tell you a lot before at least you would know what to expect before a potential cut !is mics have its own programming software or do you use procom or putty to admin it ?

I am thinking now for them to play nice may need g-sig master to q-sig slave for 2 to really integrate

ck this out

https://searchunifiedcommunications.techtarget.com/definition/Q-signaling

I don't know if I'm understanding your first sentence above about bouncing ideas - but I hope I haven't been too annoying! I'd probably be interested in paying for some of your time once I get a bit deeper into this. BTW, we don't have a T-berd (I wish) but I will probably purchase a used Nortel DTI card for testing before we cut. The MICS programming is all done through the phone.

The biggest issue will be that the Nortel won't act as QSIG slave (from what I've read). I'd be OK if it was a BCM or CS1K, but we're kind of screwed on the MICS front.

There still may be some work arounds, but I'll have to do some on-site testing. T1 may be an option in which case it looks like I'd need a different card for the TDE. The easiest solution would be to make the TDE emulate a Telco on the master side of PRI connection, but that's doubtful.

I can always fall back on using 8 or so analog COs/Exts to connect the two.

Oh not annoying at all I meant thats why these forums are nice for getting info from other dealers ..
t1 cards for tie lines in each may simplify things but you lose a lot or functionality like caller id and possibly ext info from tde on mics side

I cant see many problems with the tde, as it is very flexiable with call routing and other pbx options.
I know nothing about the nortel.How many extensions are on the nortel. using 8 co/ext is very limiting on internal/external calls from nortel system

I was looking at making the pri card as an extension and it just becomes one extension with 30 channels so you will need disa on the other side to route calls and on nortel

does it have a good lcr/ars so that if you dial 9 that it will pick up local trunk and then dial 9 again for line on panasonic.

lcr or ars would have to also know what to with a
4 digit station number on the tde too right?

yes, normaly ars/lcr uses lead numbers not lenght of number, so you will depend second inter-digit timer or # to say I am finished dialing.

the panasonic could use other system codes and tie table for calling extensions on the nortel system with lead number and number of digits

but only with co connections to the nortel, if using pri as extension on tde, you will have to give it 1 digit extension and have the nortel answer it with dial tone

ah so dialing instructions on nortel could be 7+1001
or 101 providing that 7 is not a conflict in its dialing plan???

wow i can't imagine building an ars table thru
the kepdad toner I am really surprised the mics has no terminal access ?? what is tree programing does that apply too the mics?

Was just looking at programming guide for ics and
i am glad that i don't do mitel or nortel any more no wonder customers are moving to ip systems the gui we have on the top of the range is so much easier than slapping an overlay on the phone and tapping away

kxtvet, I've actually done both systems, and programming a Mics through phone is a lot quicker than a tde through the console...

Likewise on a BCM

I will take your word for it I myself will do quick changes thru the keypad ,But does that mean you have a huge stack of programming sheets on all your customers or do you carry around every database for every system you have done since 1995 on a thumb drive ?how about doing a whole database for a project ahead of time and then dumping it into the equipment when gear shows up ?

Well, as far as Norstar (back in the day), PC programming was a huge waste of time. Only thing worth it was backup/restore.

As for the BCM, Element Manager (I've seen somewhere Excrement Mangler, somewhat accurate) is live; you can't open an instance offline like Panasonic or Avaya IPOffice, or create a template and import it. Every setting change makes the window refresh, so it's quite irritating. That is why I set up networking/IP parameters through Manager, but basic telephony set up is done through telset based admin.

As far as programming sheets, never filled any of those, as browsing the config through the phone is a lot quicker in Nortel than Panasonic, and the CoS/restrictions/permissions/ARS not nearly as deep either.

We basically (used to) get on site and start punching in the programming!

I like PC for the macro view of things, but sometimes I miss the days when I didn't need to boot my laptop for every little change I needed to do; now that I work almost exclusively with Mitel MCD and IP Office, and soon will rekindle the fire with Panasonic again (we just got a licence and have had my certification transfered from former employer), PC is the way to go!

Yanick you are luck if you quit working for a panasonic dealer in the states your certifications are non transferable !! Did you ever program the older kx-td123211D or vodavi 2448/96 or tie with a data terminal I used to do a lot of them before I did the TD so it did speed things up a bit also there was a programator for the 11d that i used just to take snapshots of data bases I have to confess I did at least 10 tds back in the 90's thru the keypad before another fella back on the old kxtd forum hooked me up that is ancient history now oh well back on topic...

The programming on the MICS side for dialing a TDE extension would be a single entry: a route pointed to the T1/PRI with the leading digit of the TDE extension numbers (6XX, etc.). The outbound call route would also be a single entry for 9+NPANXXXXXX (absorb none), again pointed at the tie T1/PRI.

I'm not as sure how to accomplish the reverse, probably an ARS table with the MICS leading digit? (2XX, 5XX)

There are about 50 extensions on the MICS and will be about 60 IP phones (over a wireless shot) on the Panasonic.

I also need target lines for each MICS extension, but those already exist (in 3 digit form) thanks to the existing DIDs.

6xx is used on tde side for pa ringing and icd groups you planning on changing numbering plan on tde?

Yes, I've already cleared all the #'s out of the TDE so I'm free to change the dialing plan, etc.

I myself make icd group 1=0 on most of my systems

how do you intend to get did from tde pri to ring exts on the mics?

maybe 60 dummy portable stations forwarded all to
807xxx xxx=3 digit ext on mics I suppose you could set intercom calls to ring 807xxx as well this raises a question what happens on a busy busy no answer when a did rings on the mics does it go to voicemail??

if you use system>number plan>main> other pbx extensions, set lead number of extensions here. then use private network> tie table, enter lead number i.e 6 remove 0 add 0 trunk group ( ti/pri trunk group)

from the tde if you dial 601 it will pick up the pri and dial 601 to nortel.

you can also point ddi to 601 and it will call 601 on pri/t1 link

I did not realize tde was that flexible thanks obt you know this system as well as tech support!So if you had ext 601 to 661 like he said there are possibly 60 did's on the mics will that entry work for the whole 6xx series like 600 thru 699?

i guess what i am asking is can i make that entry 6**
instead of 601?

yes, it is telling the system that anything starting with 6 will go out on pri/t1 or reading back , you would add 2 and 5 as other system and in tie table tell it what trunk to go out on.

so dialing from tde would be a 3 digit operation

Make sure the trunk group that is linking the system to have cos 1 and co - co duration timer is set to none

I am sorry i was editing while you replied so 6**
is a good entry?

no **, just enter 6, after that it will send 6 and as many numbers as you want after 6,

ok thats how you lost me it says 3 digits instead of up to 3 digits i was thinking of the old days old td days where stars were wild cards !

SUCCESS!

Gentlemen: I'm pleased to report that this setup is working A-OK with the Telco PRI attached to the MICS and the link between the MICS and the TDE200 setup as PRI. Here is the config I used:

TDE200:
PRI setup as QSIG-Master, NI2, all numbering plans = "private", all types of number = "unknown"
System>Numbering Plan>Main>Other PBX Extension contains leading digit of all MICS extensions (2,3,5 in this case)
TRG 7 uses dialing plan table 4
Dialing plan table 4 contains 2XX,3XX,5XX, and inserts 9 for NXXNXXXXXX & 1NXXNXXXXXX
Private Network>TIE Table = left at default
CO Line Settings = all channels of PRI set to TRG 7
DID Table = all TDE extensions as 3 digit DID pointed to extension as destination

MICS:
Hardware>PRI Card settings = NI2, ClockSrc = TimMstr, SendNameDisp = YES
SystemProgramming>BusName = NORTEL
SystemProgramming>Rem Line Access = PRI channels all have access to remote package 2 which allows calls to Telco PRI
Lines = target line programmed with 3 digit DID for each MICS extension


All seems to work great, just not sure (highly doubt) that this setup would allow for centralized voicemail.

I should also mention that both Called ID Name Display and Caller ID Name Display are working.

well done, glad to hear it, did you have to put the pri on to the MICS for routing reasons?

No, that's just how it's currently setup. I'll probably move it over to the TDE after hours. (Not sure if the TDE will allow the MICS to dial through as easily as it works the other way...)

if the MICS has lcr/ars, it should be no problem

Update: moved the telco PRI to the TDE and changed TRG 7 to COS 1 (which caused the TDE to allow external calls to be dialed from the MICS TIE trunk)

One astounding revelation: I did not have to program each DID number in the DDI/DID table - any entries that don't exist in that table seem to automatically be sent across the TIE trunk to the MICS, which saved me a ton of programming! Don't ask me how or why it works...

what is set as operator in the tde?

Nothing, and I did end up having to enter the DID's in the DDI/DID table - something changed after I modified the dial plan a bit...