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All this great info and nobody asked if the can was "bells"

Again this is all great advise but if bell gets there panties in a wad and that can belongs to them look out.

Did the owner have a survey done by the power company and bell before desiding to do this work?

No, he said in his original post that it was a privately-owned cable at the site.

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How come there's always enough time to go back and fix it a second time?

Well you have several opinions to choose from. I'd still bury it, put a pipe or pvc in if ya want. As long on you use a good encapsulent you shouldn't have any problems, and even if you do you've said you have plenty of spare pairs. Those golf carts and other vehicles using that drive are just going to use the peds for bumper cars.

I've got this cat, you see and I need some advice on how to get the hide off of it. I've gotton some good advice but I'm not sure which way I want to go yet. Any thoughts?

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My bad I over looked that little piece of info .
I guess because I could not understand why the can in the middle of the run

Sorry

Right Mark. Think you're going to find this catagory isn't as cut and dried as some of the others. You said it. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Well I figured out how to get the hide off but my wife says she liked it better the way it was.

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Ok, did a site visit today, shovel in hand. The 100pr is only about 6 inches below and they told me they are going to remove the topsoil and fill it with gravel. I will have to get that piece in the ground deeper. I think the way to go is with 2 peds and a new piece between them dug deeper.

I checked the grounding like you advised me ev and the oringinal cable from the can to the shop has aluminum sheath, but is not grounded. The cable they replaced from the clubhouse to the can has no ground sheath of any sort. I even checked both ends and cut it back a bit in the clubhouse to look at it better. It is burial cable, but no ground shield.

I also noticed they have no protection on either end of this cable as it enters the buildings.

I told them I would do the work (I am not an outside tech of any sort but they have been a great customer). I did say I wanted to do it right this time and had to include some protection on both ends.

Well, you are in Bell Canada territory and I suspect that with minimal lightning exposure, it's possible that unshielded cable was permitted at some time. That doesn't make much sense to me though, I mean the shielding isn't just for lightning protection issues. I think it's now an international standard. Not to mention that Bell Canada was once a part of the Bell System with over a hundred years of uniform standards.

I have seen some European cable catalogs that actually sell direct-burial and aerial cable that does not include any form of shielded jacketing and it's not just drop wire. I am not quite sure what that's all about. Here in the United States, the only black cable (aerial or underground, except for drop wire) that I have seen without shielding is IMSA (traffic signal) cable. It resembles telephone cable in every other aspect except for shielding.

As for the lack of protected entrance terminals, I think you know the answer there. Sounds like this job stinks of an unprofessional installation from the get-go. Probably something "the maintance man" did years ago. Sure, we would all love to go in and tell the customer that it's 100% wrong, but they will never believe you. Even if they do, it won't be until it fails and costs them LOTS of money in a lawsuit before they are willing to do anything.

If I were you, I would advise the customer of how it should be done, document what you have told them, then just place two new pedestals with the replacement section of cable buried at a proper depth (I don't know if Canada follows the same regulations we do here due to frost lines, etc.). Channell Commercial Corp. makes some nice rounded, low-profile all-PVC pedestals that might make the risk of golf cart damage less of a concern.

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How come there's always enough time to go back and fix it a second time?

[This message has been edited by ev607797 (edited August 29, 2005).]

Hey, Mark, "Here, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty".

That cat can be skinned ---- just hope it has been declawed and doesn't have a white stripe down it's back !!