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I'd like to evaluate Progolf's take on this but there is not enough info on his profile to do that. Whenever I see a response, I go to their profile and click on their website to see what they are in to. Many time, I give the post more consideration based on that. Just for an exmple, check out the web sites of all the the posters on this page alone. Man, I learned a lot and was impressed by all of them.

Progolf,

Hmm, interesting because my Tadiran switches installed in th3 80's are and can be upgraded to IP and now SIP. Where is your 8088 at today?

Besides, I think this guy doesn't understand that ALL IP systems have to use media gateways to talk to non-ip devices OR the telco unless they are using SIP trunking or such.

i know i am coming in this late but i have done some voip and had some good times and some bad times, just like anything. someday it will all be IP in what forum i do not know. it is hard for me to sell a system with ip for local phones it just does not make sense right now. once the price drops it could be different on NEW offices. to me the power in ip in remote worker and multi-site (trunking) but you can have that on a digital hybrid system and you could even do it with a 3rd party gateway. if it was not for the manufactures most of us would not even be talking so much about it. fact is a at&t, mitel, fujitsu, and many other older system lasted 10 years without fail now with ip you are ugrading every year to 2 years, look at cisco, avaya. all of us have had other channels come to us and say 'this is the best there is' so i ask big fan of ip show me what it can do that i can not get a smart pbx to do!

oh on topic i had a costomer replace a newer hybrid with a cisco. i went in after to ask him how it went, what they thought.... they hated it and wished the had the not so slick looking cheaper digital system they had back

Coral Tech:

We were a Tadiran dealer for about 10 years and have several Coral 3 cabinets that would make for some great boat anchors for your boat on Lake Michigan.

What is 8088? Do you think I sell Cisco?

8088 was a processor used in early PC's. I also have some cabinets roaming around the office that I use only for benchtesting. The cards can almost all still be used in the new systems. No thanks on the boat anchor, you'd sink my boat!

I love this thread. So many excellent posts. Too many to mention.

Winetech, I like what you said. "if it was not for the manufactures most of us would not even be talking so much about it." I posted that or something like it earlier. I expect there are higher profit margins on IP systems?

What CAN a VoIP system do that a TDM can not do?

Richard

Nothing except drag down your network VLAN or not.

Give you surprise license fees every year.

The VOIP Hybrid I sell does something that most systems don't. It provides the customer with an easy {no BS sales pitch} gui interface that allows them to easily, and with actual understanding, administer their system. It provides a soft phone that puts an office phone on the laptop for the traveling businessman. It provides TAPI integration with outlook. It even turned my cell phone into a system phone when I am traveling.
As far as licenses go we have been dealing with those issues for years via upgrades right? Nortel, Avaya etc... oh you want your system to do that? We no longer support Rel 1, you will have to upgrade your processor to Rel 3.
I watch these conversations and I wonder how many of the complaints are by folks that are actually experienced in installing VOIP and how many are heresay and "I want to be one of the guys" BS.
We are installing VOIP on a regular basis and are not having the problems or dealing with the horror stories that you guys claim.

:shrug:

If it is that bad let us know the system brands that you are installing so that we stay clear of them!