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Vit,

Just curious, but how did the Nortel techs do "it to themselves"?

The likelihood of the Nortel brand fading into the sunset is about as doubtful as the GM brand doing the same. Sure, there will be some major restructuring and sell-offs of divisions, but the overall name and core products aren't going anywhere anytime soon. They can't.

Look at how many names the 5ESS and Parnter systems have had over the years. Same great products with new brand names. I consider this transition to be the equivalent of a woman getting married and divorced several times, taking a new name each time.

Yes,please do tell.

One of my contacts was a Nortel Direct Sales Manager. This was discussed about 8 month ago so its no longer a secret.
He said that everyone buying non authentic equipment and it causes "doing it to themselves" type of scenario.
Nortel couldnt survive because everyone buys from Metro or other flacky dealer.

Members of this forum dont like to discuss Gray Market and I dont want to put anyone on a chip.
Hope I satisfied your inquiry.
Happy 4 th of July!!!!

Well thats not a Nortel Tech/Engineers fault.That was a upper level management Issue.
I was told They would sell to oversea's suppliers and the boats would literally turn arround and be unloaded for grey market suppliers.Nortel knew it was happening and did nothing to stop it.

Buying "non authentic equipment" ?
You mean Nortel did not manufacture it?
That is a lot of work to manufacture an exact copy of a Norstar so no one could tell the difference.

Jim, I assume he means those that buy "Gray Market" as opposed to buying new.

I for one do often buy "Gray Market" for the clients that want or need to save a buck or two due to budget, etc. It's their choice & their money. Am I not supposed to at least offer these clients an alternative to buying some other brand? Top that off with the world's infatuation of going "green" and recycling. Why would anyone throw out perfectly good equipment if it's still in it's infancy of a lifespan?

That being said, the flip side of that is that these same clients are using used Nortel equipment in lieu of some other brand. Once the client has been exposed to a certain brand of system, I believe they seldom change brands.

Another bonus is that it proves to the world how resilient these systems really are and their "longevity" power. I have systems in this area that have been in service with the same client or subsequent clients since the Norstar line came out. Some with still the 1st software.

Is that really hurting Nortel? Not likely. Nortel's financial problems are the same as most big businesses these days. Too large salaries, bonuses, and pay-offs to higher echelon execs and topped off with financial mismanagement. In that sense, they have no one to blame but themselves.

The trouble now is that having laid off so many employees and closing so many divisions, it's going to be tough, if not impossible to maintain their "world leader in telecommunications" reputation.

[/qb][/QUOTE] You mean Nortel did not manufacture it? [/QB][/QUOTE]

That was a tongue in cheek remark.
And that was my point.
Nortel still had to mfg it.
Customers are still buying Nortel line of equip.
We still get to service it.

AND
we may get to upgrade it down the road with new equipment as the customer grows.
Sure I would rather they buy new from the get-go.
But I would rather they buy old Nortel than some other brand.

You are right Dave.
Nortel hurt themselves.
It started in the 1990's maybe earlier.
They would go around and buy up "crap" companies they had no business buying and pay beyond top dollar for them. It was ridiculous. I said it was wrong back then, now they are finding out how stupid they were.

No, vit, it is not the tech's fault.