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Yes, I agree that IP cameras have 8P/8C jacks on them for the ethernet connection and this is an instance where you do need to press a plug on the end of the cable. You shouldn't call them RJ45 though and if you want to know why we're gonna sic Ed on you.

Incidentally, we are talking about the same plugs where the conductors stick out the other end. If I'm not mistaken you have to use their (crummy) presser or crimper that cuts the tails off. I don't think those plugs would work with my GMP presser and if they did I think there would be a problem cutting the tails off flush with the end of the plug so as not to interfere with full insertion.

-Hal

Hal, you are correct - I didn't read the fine print (shame on me). Yeah, that's cheese alright - I would avoid any plug that requires a proprietary tool.

As far as the whole "RJ-45" thing goes, I realize a lot of people feel we should just let it go, but I can't. The reason the misuse of this term bugs me so much is because I see it as a symptom of a much larger problem: All the major manufacturers of equipment have "attritioned out" all the experienced people - I say this because if real, experienced technical people were running the show, such blatant misuse of a term would never have reached the epidemic proportions it has. If you are wondering how these companies can operate without experienced engineers, keep in mind that your fancy new gigabit ethernet switch may be sold by an "American" company, but its guts were designed entirely in Pakistan and manufactured in China. If this doesn't keep you up at night, it should. I can't wait until our entire communication infrastructure in this country is running on this stuff; thats when I'm going into the bunker and not coming out.

Jim
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If you want me, I'll be down in the bunker with my 2500 set.

...and, NO , the GMP crimper will work IF you insert, cut, then pull slightly back on the cable, then crimp. I use flush-cut side-cuts when this is necessary. The "required" tool does trim as you go...my helper has one...sux (my two cents). If you don't do it just right (either way) the insertion Hal was speaking of will NOT work .

Been there, done that, and only in an emergency.

:nono: :scratch: :thumb:

I guess the "ironic" or "sarcastic" emoticon was needed.

Did someone say RJ45? My ears were burning.

Let's not be too hard he's just getting his feet wet in here. Erik do a search on RJ45, sit back with a cold one, you're going to have a lot of reading to do.

Bill, good point. I just want to clarify that my last rant was not at all directed at the original poster, but rather at the Industry in general. After all, you really can't blame the younger guys for using a term that they see on every box, package, label, installation manual, etc. - it's even silk-screened right onto the faceplate of equipment (that's what I meant by EPIDEMIC).

Jim
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It's dark down here in this bunker.

I understand, but it is a pet peeve around here and rightly so. As you stated it's been incorrectly used for so long it's become the norm. I also had questioned the OP on another issue, so I just don't want him to feel unwelcome.

This has been edited out as the management of the board takes care of such issues. Thanks

It seems that "RJ" is being used for anything that has a connection/connector regardless of pair count- the same as "Google" now refers to "Search".

Like proper spelling and sentence structure...laziness is easier than learning.

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