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Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453126 01/01/10 12:42 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 237 Ironton, Ohio ampleworks Member
ampleworks Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 237 Ironton, Ohio	Hal you goof In a 3600 sq ft building, I have a total of 160 jacks Most places have 4. Should I be punching the first two pairs to patch panel 1 then the second two pairs to patch panel 2? Jeff Lead Field Engineer, MSCNS

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Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453127 01/01/10 01:13 PM
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,429 Likes: 3 Beachwood jeffmoss26 Member
jeffmoss26 Member Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,429 Likes: 3 Beachwood	This is why I would just use 66 blocks and 6 pin jacks... Blue and orange pair to one jack, L1 and L2 Green and brown pair to one jack, L3 and L4 Jeff Moss Moss Communications Computer Repair-Networking-Cabling MBSWWYPBX, JGAE

Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453128 01/01/10 01:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 237 Ironton, Ohio ampleworks Member
ampleworks Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 237 Ironton, Ohio	I grabbed one of the panels and come to find out its not like the ones I typically use, these are numbered vertically then horizontally. Life gets a little simpler....well not as simple as a key system but close. The owner went with all cat 5 and RJ45 due to future equipment requirements. Apparently a lot of optical equipment is starting to gain ethernet capability. Jeff Lead Field Engineer, MSCNS

Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453129 01/01/10 02:05 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 12,348 Likes: 4 New York hbiss Member
hbiss Member Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 12,348 Likes: 4 New York	Ah, this thread is over two months old. You expect me to read the whole thing over again to see what you were talking about? Anyway it looks like I addressed your problem in the first reply. -Hal CALIFORNIA PROPOSITION 65 WARNING: Some comments made by me are known to the State of California to cause irreversible brain damage and serious mental disorders leading to confinement.

Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453130 01/02/10 12:01 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 237 Ironton, Ohio ampleworks Member
ampleworks Member Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 237 Ironton, Ohio	I'll send a box for you to return your cape in. Ladies and gentlemen, Super Hal has left the building. Jeff Lead Field Engineer, MSCNS

Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453131 01/02/10 03:19 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,290 Shelter Island, New York Arthur P. Bloom Member
Arthur P. Bloom Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,290 Shelter Island, New York	Notwithstanding the "smiley" maybe we should send Hal an apology and send you a time machine and the names of a few qualified installers. At the beginning of this fiasco, someone with experience, credentials and an authoritative voice should have disabused the owner from this hare-brained scheme. It's as though he decided to buy 40 bicycles instead a school bus. No professional phone guy whom I know would have allowed this to get this far. No one has mentioned -- (I think... I, like Hal, cannot go back and read the whole painful story) -- the humongous sh*t storm that will ensue when just one of the "Made by Mattel" 4-line "phones for little people" goes wacko and takes down the whole building. Does each one require 4 AA cells? Replacing them will be a nice lifetime job for someone. Who in their right mind (oh...wait...that's YOU) is going to go out and start pulling bridging clips on a Monday morning to get the office up again? "Nightmare waiting to happen" should be the title of this thread. Arthur P. Bloom "30 years of faithful service...15 years on hold"

Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453132 01/02/10 06:22 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,033 Columbus, Ohio MacOSX Moderator-Toshiba
MacOSX Moderator-Toshiba Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,033 Columbus, Ohio	I would patch the entire 8 conductor cable through and do the splitting outside of the faceplate/jack, since it seems as though it may change in the future. If you rewire it all for 2, 4 conductor jacks and put on new faceplates, you may be doing three times the work you need to. Create an 8 conductor end, that takes pins 1/2 + 4/5 to a 4 conductor jack and pins 3/6 + 7/8 to a 4 conductor jack. I'll post a picture link in a bit, to show you what i'm referring to. - Tony Ohio Data LLC Phone systems, data networks, firewalls and servers in Central Ohio. Some people aren't used to an environment where excellence is expected.

Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453133 01/02/10 07:15 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,290 Shelter Island, New York Arthur P. Bloom Member
Arthur P. Bloom Member Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,290 Shelter Island, New York	Tony, good idea. (B.O.G.B.S) Arthur P. Bloom "30 years of faithful service...15 years on hold"

Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453134 01/02/10 08:03 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 12,348 Likes: 4 New York hbiss Member
hbiss Member Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 12,348 Likes: 4 New York	Quote Originally posted by hbiss: [Provide] a telephone patch panel with patch cords from it as necessary to the ports on the premises wiring patch panel that are for the jacks used for the phones. Wire the back of the telephone patch panel with individual 4 pair cables as 568A and terminate the other ends (all four pair) on split 66M blocks. You will need two blocks, 6 cables per side. Then what you will do is use cross connect wire to loop all the white/blues together and then over to line 1 on another block with the COs from the cable modem. Do the same with the W/O, W/G and W/Br for lines 2,3 and 4. Back at eack jack use a splitter to provide 2 separate 6pos/4pin jacks. -Hal Seems we are going round and round and round here with the same answer being given. And you are just confirming my observation that all IT guys are lunatics. -Hal CALIFORNIA PROPOSITION 65 WARNING: Some comments made by me are known to the State of California to cause irreversible brain damage and serious mental disorders leading to confinement.

Re: Small office install - bigbox 4 line phones #453135 01/02/10 08:07 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,056 Fayetteville, NC Lightning horse RIP Moderator-Mitel, Panasonic
Lightning horse RIP Moderator-Mitel, Panasonic Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 7,056 Fayetteville, NC	Will SOMEBODY please lock this ?!!! All the explanations, descriptions, and questions have been asked/answered at least twice now. Arthur had the best answer, in my opinion, but what do I know. John C. When I was young, I was Liberal. As I aged and wised up, I became Conservative. Now that I'm old, I have settled on Curmudgeon.