yep just looked at a job monday done by ec (all cat5 looks ok) no voice but thats not the prob termination will be a breeze test should be fine. the trouble is I cant verify the cable if I break it out for voice and data so her resolve is an ip phone system which has no use un this app. when I asked the ec why just one wire knowing they needed data and voice his responce was "well at our office we use 8 pin connections for the phone and the data and I couldent see the need for more than one wire" he is using ip phones and he just commited the customer to spending more than they can afford for a phone system (good for me bad for the client) the point is sometimes a little knowledge by an ec goes too far