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Greetings and Happy New Year,
We have a client who currently has over head cable going from pole to pole and then into their building. The first pole Verizon admits is theirs the second pole (by the building) Verizon abandoned and now says belongs to the client. Their are 6 6 pair aerials between the poles. During renovation last year the client had a 3 inch conduit run from the first pole to the outside of the building where the protectors are. They asked Verizon to transition the aerial to underground so they can remove the second pole. They said no because since they abandoned pole 2 the cable from pole 1 to the building is the clients responsibility. The question is when I take it from the 6 6 pairs to underground via 50 pair should I just use a splice boot or a cross box to have a clean demarcation point? I'm leaning towards the cross box.
Thank You

I'd go with a cross connect box for a DEMARC.

I'd put a pedestal on top of each end of the conduit, pull your cable in and put some terminal blocks inside the pedestals to make the transition. Give Schultz Communications a call, they have everything you'll need and the expertise to get you the proper hardware:

SCHULTZ-CAD6 PEDESTAL LINK

VARIOUS TERMINAL BLOCKS

Here's a picture of an example of using a pedestal closure along with RPT blocks to make a transition that we did recently.

Actually, this was a small-count cross-connect facility (25 pair in, 50 pair out), but it shows the flexibility of using pedestal-type terminals at poles and buildings:

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Here are illustrations of some of Emerson/Reliable's garden terminal pedestals with various blocks installed. I wish we still had these in stock because I'd be happy to provide you with everything you need, but my boss made us throw all of that stuff away:

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I think the real question is: do you plan on having a lot more work done at that crossbox? If the answer is no, then I would mount a weatherproof box on the end of the conduit and splice the cables in a re-enterable boot. Less possibility of failure or vandalism and cheaper.

Sam

Although the terminals make for a nice demarcation point, there is the vandalism and weather to consider. We do a lot of coal mine telephone work and, due to coal miners who drive big machines not caring what the terminals are supporting, and due to the bug dust, we removed all the pedestals and terminals and went to splice cases.

Personally, I like to be in a warm, dry environment when making connections.....but, I'm old and crotchety.

Rcaman

Thanks, Given the environment I think the Splice case is the way to go. The camp only operates from the end of June until the end of August although no one has ever messed with the analog phones in enclosures on poles through out the camp, why take chances?

Isn't Verizon going to want to establish the demarc on the first pole?

Here, AT&T won't connect to the cable that you provide, so they mount their protectors on a post outside of their pedestal, or on the pole if it is aerial service. It's your baby from there to to building.

I would thing that they are going to have to install some type of terminal or SNI protector, and you will need to connect to the customer side of that demarc. You won't be able to just splice onto their drops and maintain the current protectors at the building as the demarc.

You'd sure think so, but from the OP's post there doesn't seem to be much interest.

Tommy and Bill, that was what I thought was going to happen. The poles are on State land that the day camp has a lease on until 2075
I think? Basically Verizon is trying to claim although the dial tones are their's the cable has been "abandoned" from the last pole on public land about 1/4 mile from the poles I'm talking about. So I guess technically they should create a D-marc p
at that pole.

Is Verizon allowed to abandon infrastructure and then put the onus on the customer? I would ask the PSC.

Sam