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Bill and Hans: I am very impressed by both of your responses. It's pretty obvious that you both are very passionate about your trade. For this reason, my hat is off to you. Thank you very much for your input and participation on this board. 
Ed Vaughn, MBSWWYPBX
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Originally posted by ev607797:
You are right, Bill. There are plenty of folks here who fail to see how a group of manufacturers seeking to sell more expensive cable, equipment and design standards really have a handle on things. I admit to being one of those "Aww that ain't necessary" guys.
The only advice contrary to BICSI standards you will see here will be remarks made by seasoned professionals. These are persons with decades of experience in the industry. These are also the people who can troubleshoot a problem without a ten-thousand dollar tester. They are NOT people posessing a simple certificate attained through a sponsorship by cable manufacturers.
I speak from experience after having owned my telecommunicactions company since 1983. I maintain very strict Bell System standards with my company's installations. THOSE are the REAL standards. BICSI and TIA/EIA came into play decades after the tried and true Bell System specifications for wiring. "568B" was Bell's standard in the early 1970's when these "authorities" were simply seeds in the ground. This standard was hijacked and simply given a new name. Period.
I have made attempts to jump on every certification bandwagon that rolled through, but I got tired of it. It's all about marketing. Haven't you figured that out? These certifications of wiring and hardware are simply meant to scare you into selling whatever the manufacturers want you to scare your customers into buying!
I challenge you or anyone to devise a better set of plans than the ones developed by the Bell System for anything. This company employed many of the "Aww" guys that you will find here. They represent the most knowledgable people on this forum.
One simple question: A $2.00 "J" hook every four feet versus a web in building trusses at no cost. Tell me why? Having been trained to Bell standards while working for IBT I have to agree with you. It works and it's reliable. On a side note:When I started I was trained by guys with 30+yrs of doing it the "right way". They took their time and everything was dead to spec. Now it's all about Good Jobs in 8 and shotgunning pairs to get it working.Within the phone companies themselves the Old Bell way of doing things is being replaced with "make it work for now". So maybe BISCI and organizations like them will become more useful as time progresses.
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Have you heard of millipede ties? How well do they work? I havent pushed them on my techs, but they look like a cool concept because of the reuse of them and not a cheesey as velcro
its the only pic i have on photobucket, ill get another one sooner or later : P
Im just a chick who loves Mopar, R1 bikes, my '52 Chevy bubba truck that Im rebuilding. Work consumes the rest of my life with fiber optic and copper cables -
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I got some samples of them, but don't really like them. Not sure of the cost but I would think it is a lot more expensive than a standard nylon tie.
Jeff Moss
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